Zac efron ve Zendaya

Disney Channel stars then and now in pictures: How Vanessa Hudgens, Selena Gomez, Zac Efron, Zendaya, Miley Cyrus and more have changed since their Disney days. Zac Efron rose to fame after his appearance in the High School Musical trilogy was well-received by fans.The actor has a slew of films under his belt. His notable work is in moves like New Year's Eve, The Lucky One, The Paperboy, Dirty Grandpa and many more. His music albums also received magnanimous love from the audience. Zendaya visited The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon and brought footage of an accident that occurred when she and Zac Efron were performing a stunt for her film The Greatest Showman.Zendaya ... Zendaya and Zac Efron have been all over your screen lately in trailers and posters for their upcoming movie, The Greatest Showman. You've been swooning over every clip because, like, they're ... Zac Efron dating Zendaya? After the release of the film The Greatest Showman, Zac Efron has yet again stunned his millions of fan with his exquisite appearance. Zac holds a love story with Zendaya as for the stories plotting.

Love stories you felt were forced in

2020.06.28 13:57 mranimal2 Love stories you felt were forced in

Peter and MJ-Spider-Man: Far from Home
I thought it was kind've out of place how Peter was suddenly into MJ at the beginning of the movie when, not even during the end, did Homecoming ever imply he had feelings for her.
Personally I think they should've had them develop feelings for each other throughout the movie.
Weirdly it's not the only time Zendaya was in a movie that gave her a forced and rushed romantic sub-plot (The Greatest Showman). Although Peter and MJ are practically Tom Hanks and Meg Ryan compared to her and Zac Efron.
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2020.03.21 17:15 mranimal2 Movies whose popularity you were baffled by

I want to say to please be respectful in this thread and not try to sound like you think the fans of these movies are idiots. There is a way where you can admit you don't get the appeal of a movie while still being respectful to the people who like it.
Anyway The Greatest Showman.
I get that people like the songs. But...first of all, I thought we were over autotuned generic pop? Didn't Emma Watson get flack for using autotune in Beauty and the Beast? Yet it's okay when Hugh Jackman and most of the cast does it? Why do audiences reject the use of autotune for Beauty and the Beast yet they're okay with it here? Is it just because we've heard those songs without autotune but they haven't heard The Greatest Showman songs without autotune so they're more used to it? And, before you say anything, I did see people who criticized Emma Watson's autotuned voice praise The Greatest Showman soundtrack, it wasn't just the normies who are less critical of films that liked the songs.
But it just felt like a regression of many things films have gotten better at.
I thought we were done with "Love at First Sight" stories. Enchanted AND Frozen both made fun of this trope. Frozen even has the famous line "You can't marry a man you just met". Then here comes The Greatest Showman, a movie aimed at the Frozen crowd, having us try to root for Zendaya and Zac Efron's relationship even though we never see them really get to know each other and we even see them instantly fall in love the moment they meet. A.K.A. something Elsa, a character The Greatest Showman's target audience loves, warned them against.
Peter Dinklage has won emmy's and golden globes for his portrayal of Tyrion Lannister in Game of Thrones. And people have praised the character for being a little person that has a complex, multi-dimensional personality rather than just being a walking short joke, like most characters played by little people. And then here comes The Greatest Showman's version of Charles Stratton, a.k.a. Tom Thumb, who is defined entirely by his height and is just a walking short joke. He sits on a hat for crying out loud, Peter Dinklage would never! Granted most little people characters are still walking short jokes but it's one thing for Bad Santa 2, a movie nobody cares about, to do it, or even Joker, a character whose only in 3 scenes, to do it. It's another thing for a major supporting character in a huge phenomenon like The Greatest Showman to do it, though...
And I thought we as a society had started having more and more movies with people who are not conventionally attractive or people of color to have bigger roles in film and play actual characters. But here the people of color, besides Zendaya and maybe her brother, and the other "freaks" are mostly reduced to singing props. Even The Bearded Lady and Zendaya's character are barely one dimensional, let alone two! Instead, though, we focus our entire attention on Hugh Jackman and Zac Efron, the pretty white people, because god knows we can't have ugly people or people of color have bigger roles than singing props, even though many movies have proven otherwise! (Seriously Black Panther came out only 2 months later and proved them wrong).
I mean, hello, look at all the movies starring people of color that have been successful that have come out recently! Or, for unconventionally attractive people, Wonder was also about a physically disabled boy and that movie came out literally the same time as The Greatest Showman and made almost the same amount of money! And that boy was an actual character. He had interests, hobbies, personality traits, etc. that didn't revolve around his goddamn face! Meanwhile, most of the "freaks" in The Greatest Showman are defined solely by either their physical traits or their race. I mean, there's an attractive black lady with an afro in the troupe that we know nothing about for crying out loud!
And the movie had the gall to cast Michelle Williams as someone whose the same age as Hugh Jackman. Because god knows we can't have a 40+-year-old woman playing a major character in a major movie. Even though Girls Trip, a movie starring woman hitting 50, managed to be a huge hit that same year, Cate Blanchett had a big role in Thor Ragnarok and has been doing well for herself, Sandra Bullock and Julia Roberts are going nowhere anytime soon, Gwyneth Paltrow is still Tony Stark's love interest despite being well into her 40's, I could go on and on with examples.
And the biggest example of how it feels regressed compared to other popular recent movies is how it sanitizes P.T. Barnum and makes him look like a mostly good guy who just made a few mistakes. In the same year MeToo happened, we as a society really celebrated a movie that sanitized a horrible person just because we liked its songs?
And, before someone goes "Oh, you're just an SJW libtard, it's just a movie, relax", I could look past all this if it didn't try to pander to "SJW libtards" with constant speeches and songs about how diversity is good and racism is bad. Like, not all movies have to have something to say about Trump, it didn't need a "diversity is good and racism is bad" message, it could have just been a "don't try so hard to be rich and successful and just smell the roses sometimes" movie. And,even with all these problematic elements, I might've been fine with it. But the fact that it tries to come off as "woke" and then does the least woke things a recent movie could possibly do really gets under my skin.
And, for that, I'm just baffled by its popularity. Despite what I just said, it's fine if you like it, if you were entertained by the spectacle of it all and liked the songs, good for you. I just don't get it when people said "it had a good message about being yourself and how diversity is great" or "it was empowering". Like a movie where a dwarf sits on a hat as a sight gag, almost anyone who isn't pretty and white is a background character, and the main hero is based off of someone known for making a business off of making fun of people for their looks is an empowering "Be Yourself, Don't Judge Others For How They Look" movie?
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2019.11.19 03:49 mranimal2 Fixing The Greatest Showman (2017)

The movie should've had two intersecting plots instead of three. With the musical numbers, the multiple characters, etc., there just wasn't enough time to develop P.T. AND the supporting cast and their stories so the plot with the circus troupe finding acceptance and the plot with Zac Efron and Zendaya falling in love both felt woefully underwritten and made it just seem like these plots were there so the movie could have a relevant message about racism and prejudice rather than because the creators actually wanted to talk about these things.
If anything, the movie should've kept going from either P.T.'s perspective to the troupe's perspective OR go from P.T.'s perspective to Zac Efron and Zendaya's perspective, with the circus troupe in major supporting roles in both P.T.'s plot about following his dreams and Zac and Zendaya's love story.
Had they done the former, Zac Efron's character could've still been in it, and maybe even be the focus in this sub-plot but, instead of his arc being finding love with Zendaya's character, he grows to bond with the circus troupe members, gets to know them better (showing off for one thing, y'know, actual personalities, a thing this movie forgot to give them), and actually gets concerned about their plight and helps them stand up for themselves.
But had it gone with the latter, we could've gotten more scenes explaining why Zac and Zendaya's characters were in love, giving more stakes to their relationship, and there still could've been more scenes with the circus troupe as they may have either helped them out or offered their perspective on being social outcasts as well. For example, The Bearded Lady could've had, y'know, an actual personality as a motherly figure to both of their characters and "This is Me" could've been used to offer them advice.
Also the movie needed to nix a few characters. It could've gotten rid of the critic for one thing and just given all of his lines to the father. After all they basically represent the same thing, they're the high class snobs Barnum desperately wants to impress but keeps turning him down despite his repeat attempts to impress them. The movie didn't really need both characters, as both characters have VERY similar personalities anyway, so they really could've gotten rid of one of them and the plot would be almost entirely the same. In fact, had they gotten rid of the "gotta impress the critics" scenes they could've, y'know, had more scenes that focused on GASP the circus troupe and give THEM, dare I say it, PERSONALITIES!
And the older daughter could've been nixed as well. She had no part in the plot and her only role was to have someone for the younger daughter, who actually did have some semblance of an actual arc and a definable personality, to do cutesy shit with.
Also, yeah, don't make it about P.T. Barnum. This movie has barely anything to do with the guy, aside from a few references to his life, it could've been about a fictional character and it still would've been a success if it had those songs in it.
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2019.09.25 21:46 honeypnut [Thank You] u/catatsrophy, u/dkam136, and u/soxgal! 💕

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u/catatsrophy - Thanks for the starry/nebula postcard. I've always been interested in space too. It's really amazing just thinking about how old certain stars are or how far away they are. You can say that I can always get lost staring into space lol Thanks again!
u/dkam136 - Thank you for the cool bicycle postcard. think this is from you based on the a random fact from the Bronx (unless I'm wrong which is really awkward lol). That's such a cool fact, do you visit Pelham Bay Park often? lol I know I would want to go if I had the chance because it sounds awesome. Thank you!
u/soxgal - Thank you for the cute card and stickers! I love the Goofy washi tape lol oh I absolutely loved The Greatest Showman and the entire soundtrack. My favorite song is definitely "Rewrite the Stars", I thought Zac Efron and Zendaya KILLED IT haha. Thank you again!
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2019.07.06 00:41 mranimal2 Anyone else can't stand The Greatest Showman?

Good god, I was so surprised back in December of 2017 when a whole huge barrage of people went "No, you're wrong critics, this movie is amazing!"
Listen, people can like this movie all they want, I just don't understand the appeal, outside of liking the songs. We don't know any of these characters aside from, like, 1 thing about them. How can you possibly like a movie if you don't know the characters? I understand that not everyone is critical of movies but isn't good characters something that's universal, something both more critical people and people who just want to have a fun time can get behind? So how can they get behind a movie that constantly asks us to feel bad for a group of characters, The Circus Troupe, that we know goddamn nothing about?!
Yes, we see them being bullied and people outright protesting their existence. And yes, I'm not heartless, that's sad, but it does not make them any more likable or interesting. Sympathetic, sure, but not good characters. It's just hard to get invested in movie characters (not real people movie characters, and this movie is so divorced from what actually went on it's not hard to consider them fictional characters) when you don't know much about them.
And I get it, you couldn't give personalities to each and every one of them, there's like 20 of them, but you could've given personalities to at least a few of them. But they don't! The closest they do that is having Charles/Tom Thumb (the dwarf) make a joke about his size at one point, giving Zendaya (if she counts) one scene where she flirts with Zac Efron, and having Zendaya's brother (if HE counts) give Zac Efron's character jealous looks. That's about it for any sort of characterization beyond "We look different and we're sad because people hate us for it but we learn to accept ourselves". And two of those three examples were from characters who weren't physically handicapped AT ALL.
I get it, I really do, people loved the songs but how can they justify thinking it has a "good message" when the message is centered around characters we don't get to know at all? I just don't get it.
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2019.02.22 23:10 flamesandcheetodust A ton of Alkemia reviews, or revisiting an old flame

This was a blast from the past because I used to buy from Alkemia five years ago! My longtime favorites are the crowd-pleaser Madam Pearl, and the discontinued Wildwood and Spiritus. I fell out of the indie perfume loop until recently so was eager to try some of Alkemia's new offerings. Here's my impression over a few months of testing these samples:
Hygge: Gingery graham crackers. There's something dry and powdery about it as opposed to a "wet" dough mix. The spices are deep and heavy, with not too much sweetness, which keeps it from being cloying or candle-y. If I hold my skin close to my nose, I get a strong, sharp and quite realistic ginger. This is one that I'd rather smell than smell like, but it's comforting for huddling under blankets on a cold day. Perfect for: Farquad crushing Gingy's legs into crumbs in Shrek.
Foxfire: I went through a full journey with this one. My first sniff, I winced and thought "Ok this is one I definitely do not need"-- it smelled like a department store white floral mixed with a sugar candle. The result was something fresh and almost fruity - like a melon or a green banana. But I later caught it on myself in wafts while doing dishes and it was warmed and beautiful. Now that my sample has mellowed out, I'm fully hooked. I seriously can't stop dousing myself. I think it's meant to be smelled from a bit of a distance rather than immediately on the skin. It also has great projection and lasting power. It's more on the gourmand side than the floral side, but the jasmine aldehydes add a bit of background interest. Perfect for: Gourmand lovers who want a chill, laid back gourmand floral.
Antares: This one tortures me. Some of the time it smells like basic moisturize cologne, and some it's the velvety night desert scene promised. As soon as I've decided it is a mesmerizing, evocative blend of florals and spices, my nose is like "nope just lotion." It also doesn't last long at all. Perfect for: It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose.
Lost Highways: Love, love, love. This one is so pure. I smell creamy, fresh white and yellow flowers-- maybe magnolia and linden blossoms? Brings me back to childhood, when my grandma and mom would pinch flowers for me to smell. It makes me feel warmed by the sun. Perfect for: Anyone who has golden sunny memories involving flowers.
The Lover Tells of the Rose: First seconds are beautiful, green, fresh, dew-kissed rose, and then it fades SO FAST into a vague incensey powder. I still like the opening so I'm going to try and play around with it more to try and get it to linger. I wouldn't buy a full size, though-- there are just so many good and affordable commercial rose soliflores. Perfect for: The Roselia that fled after I threw one pokeball at it.
Darkness Burning: With notes like brown sugar, cinnamon, and vanilla, I was expecting something more gourmandy, but on me it's a deep resinous incense and wood scent with next to no sweetness until the drydown. Even then, the sugar is very faint. This reminds me of some part of the drydown of the discontinued Wildwood, which also had wood and resin. Darkness Burning is like the musty indoor counterpart to Wildwood's foresty incense. It reminds me of a pharaoh's tomb or an old estate-- there's rich spices, but covered in ashes and dust. Perfect for: Evie's Cairo library in the Mummy.
As Dark Things Are Meant to Be Loved: This smells like coffee grounds, with a wood-incensey and medicinal rather than foodie, sweet backdrop. Slowly, a faint coconut note comes out, but it isn't tropical or oily, it's soft and wood-y. There's also the slightest twist of soapy leather. The overall effect is like rich, deep, nutty cacao nibs. Evocative and fascinating, and the more I wear it the more addicted I get. Perfect for: Oscar Isaac looking handsome in a camel coat in A Most Violent Year.
Stag Moon: I smell leaves, cloves, wood, and something slightly chocolatey and sweet-- must be the maple and rum. All the while, there's a silvery, cool backdrop to it. This is really unique and grows on me more and more. I might get a bottle for my husband and steal dabs occasionally. Perfect for: Hagrid, after some evening baking, tromping into the Forbidden Forest to help an injured unicorn.
County Fair: I didn't think I'd like this as I'm not a fan of Aquolina Pink Sugar type scents. But I was so wrong, it's nothing like Pink Sugar! This is a mix of buttered popcorn, cotton candy, and apples. It's all super soft and well-blended, evoking some kind of sweet pink treat, like strawberry cream sugar wafers or pink fruit loops. At the same time, there's a creamy perfumey "core" similar to Foxfire to keep it from being sickening. And like Foxfire, it has an addictive and comforting quality. It's not one of those in-your-face gourmands and feels like an impressionistic, distant rendition of something edible. Considering a bottle once it's back in season! Perfect for: Zendaya as a trapeze artist in the Greatest Showman, wearing a cotton candy wig, flying above popcorn-eating crowds, swinging right into Zac Efron's heart.
Desiderata: Other reviews have described this as floral, soapy, or green. My nose may be faulty because I only smell clay. Like, full-on, I just went to a pottery studio, had a moment with Patrick Swayze, clay. Maybe I tried halfheartedly to wash my hands with some floral soap but it's honestly barely there. The clay is the predominant note. I love earthy scents but I don't want to smell ONLY of clay! I'll give this a sit and see if it improves with time. Perfect for: Demi Moore in Ghost.
Buosni: Almonds and juicy red tart cherries! Every so often I get a flicker of the sweet, buttery, biscuity shortbread undertone to the almond, but it's not strong or cloying. The cherry is the dominant note on me, and it's a syrupy, mouthwatering, not sweet cherry. It could be raspberries? Some kind of juicy red fruit! This is an amazing gourmand and I rushed off to buy a full bottle, since it was in the last chance section. Perfect for: sexily sneaking bites of thumbprint cookies.
Burning Roses: Not as metal as I was expecting. The smoke is pretty toned down and instead a softly sweet incense predominates, so it's more "well-mannered church rose" than "goth rose." I imagine a single red rose placed at an old church altar. It's still a very nice smell, but missing some element of richness or intensity. I'm also going give this one more time to see if it develops. Perfect for: a typically-prim church lady daringly fixing a single fresh rose to her hat.
Darkness Shining in Brightness: This reminds me of tiger balm / qing liang oil / Chinese herbal medicine shops. It's a good representation of its name, like if you combined fresh menthol-y herbs, bright citrus, and dark incense. Evocative and quite pleasant, but due to personal associations, it makes me feel like I'm warding off mosquitoes. Perfect for: my mom as she regards ten-year-old me's bug bites.
Ydalir: Wow, this smells like I rolled around in charcoal or the ashes of a fire pit. It's an intense woody smoke that is too realistic for me. I feel like a kebab. Perfect for: the little girl whose village was torched by Huns in Mulan. (EDIT: I've been experimenting with layering Ydalir and I'm digging the results! A fresh rose scent like Diptyque Eau Rose makes the smoke a lot gentler and sweeter and brings out the "woods" component. I still won't buy a full bottle but I'll enjoy my sample!)
Wild Swans at Coole: I think this is discontinued. The backdrop is very cooling, not quite minty but almost there, and it settles softly into a wet and very alive violet. You can smell not just the violets but the dirt that they're popping up from. The drydown is reminiscent of the clay of Desiderata. The changing phases sound amazing, but in actuality everything in it is just too muted to make an impact as a perfume. Still I think all the transformative phases are quite interesting! Perfect for: A barely-there Ophelia in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.
Luminae: Like Foxfire minus florals. The effect is something akin to lightly sugared vanillic wax, with a slightly nutty / oatmeal element. I adore it, and I'm still going back and forth between it and Foxfire for a full bottle purchase. They're similar enough I believe you don't need both. On me, Foxfire has better sillage and throw, but Luminae would be more versatile for layering and smells more like a natural skin-scent. Perfect for: those who seek to elegantly combine the two guilty pleasures of cookie dough eating and crayon sniffing.
Falling Stars at Winter Solstice: While wet, this is fresh pine needles, and then on the drydown: fireplace smoke, with a slightest hint of a juicy and fresh fruit -- apple?-- in the background. Then, even further in, it becomes a dryer pine, like the pine needles of a wreath. I like the transformative stages: it's like you get the full life cycle of a Christmas tree! I find something about this to be very charming, and I prefer this woodsmoke to Ydalir's intense charcoalness. Falling Stars is softer and kitschier, making it more wearable for me. Perfect for: Winter in Stardew Valley.
Salome: I get a lot of deep purpley fruits and something candied, against a soft white flower backdrop. Actually, something in this reminded me of Antares-- it must be the Queen of the Night. This is velvety and gorgeous but doesn't feel like it fits into my life. It would belong on someone else more elegant and put-together and sensual. Perfect for: Satine in the Moulin Rouge.
Moss Maiden: I really enjoy this! So soft and green. It's similar to green scents like Tokyomilk's Crushed, but not as cold-green or "clean." It's not dark or dank, either-- there's a dirt note, but it's an oddly warm and sweet note, fresh in the way a beautiful little spring hollow is. I'm going to rock this sample all spring. Perfect for: Anne of Green Gables pretending to be a dryad.
Deadwood: This smells like dust and leather and pine. Slowly but steadily, it goes soapy. It evokes the cleanest, least badass cowboy. It's neat but doesn't trigger the pleasure centers of my brain, but it's also not off-putting enough to be avant-garde. Perfect for: Woody from Toy Story.
My definite full bottle buys are: Lost Highways, As Dark Things, Foxfire/ Luminae, and Buosni. Considering eventual purchases of Stag Moon, County Fair, Moss Maiden, and Falling Stars too! As a longtime fan of Alkemia, I'm so impressed by the way in which she seems to have evolved and developed her blends. And her customer service and TAT were top-notch as always. Let me know if you have any recommendations, either for other Alkemias or other houses.
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2019.02.14 08:48 Maizybear I just discovered this sub and I’m so happy

I’ve always hated being short. I’m a 20 year old female who is 5’1”, 100 pounds, and size 5 shoe. I hated how short I was next to people in photos. Vanessa Hudgens is by far the prettiest girl I’ve ever seen and one day I was talking to some friends when they were discussing the height difference between Zac Efron and the Zendaya girl from greatest showman (I believe they said she’s almost six foot and he’s 5’8”). I was confused because they always make him look so tall in movies so I googled Vanessa’s height to see the comparison (since she always looked average height next to him) and she’s my height. I know it sounds stupid but for us little ones, we only ever see tall, pretty models on tv and to see that my absolute favorite celebrity is my height actually really boosted my confidence, because if Vanessa Hudgens, the prettiest girl in the world, is as short as me, that gives me some hope. It turns out not everyone on tv is tall. Apparently in Zac Efron’s movies, they’ve used illusions and heels to make him appear taller. Apparently most of the HSM cast is fairly short and that’s how they made Zac and Vanessa appear taller, they just surrounded them by people on the shorter end.
Anyway, thanks for listening to my little ramble. I’m so happy to meet all of my fellow shorties! I’m glad to find some people who know what it’s like to be the munchkin in world full of giants.
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2018.12.20 21:53 mranimal2 Fixing The Greatest Showman

If they had to make it a sickly sweet, family friendly musical that sanitizes the real Barnum, here's some ways you could make it at least a bit better:
-Age up Tom Thumb/Charles Stratton even more and make the whole film a buddy film with Jackman as Barnum and Peter Dinklage as Tom/Charles and make it about Barnum and Stratton's complicated relationship (look it up, it would've made an interesting film), kind've like a PG Musical version of The Disaster Artist. And, of course, give Dinklage some moments to sing and dance, don't do what they did with the other actor and have him sing like one bar and have him either never dance or just swing his arms around (especially don't have Dinklage go on his knees to make him look shorter, if they did that, then he couldn't dance, which is what happened with the other guy)
-Expand more on The Bearded Lady's love of singing, maybe imply or even show she tried to become a singer but no one wanted her because she was a bearded lady
-Expand more on Zendaya's characters jokey side (you see her tease Zac Efron in one scene but then, throughout the rest of the movie, she's just a mope, she just ends up coming off as a hot black version of The Bearded Lady) and, for gods sake, have a scene or two of her and Zac Efron having a conversation to show why they're in love with each other rather than having one dumb scene where they stare at each other and then, literally in their next scene, their holding hands. You can't do love at first sight stories in 2017, it's outdated and should've died out a long time ago. Also have them spend a little more time discussing whether or not an interracial relationship could even happen in the 1800's rather than making Zendaya be in the wrong for not wanting to possibly get lynched for dating a white guy
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2018.10.07 14:19 That1weirdperson Is it just me getting older or are child stars on Disney Channel &/or Nick not "making it" with lasting careers like they used to (they kinda just fade away into irrelevance as soon as their show ends)? If so, how come?

I mean, the whole point of getting onto that kind of thing is to get your name out there, build a fanbase, then star in other things when you're older or make music.
Maybe because it's because I've grown out of the target audience of 13 and under, and the only shows I watch are "Raven's Home" and "Andi Mack" with my mom on Disney, but I don't know the names of the other actors and actresses on the other shows.
I mean, Disney was so strong, like a decade ago (and before, but I was watching Playhouse Disney at the time), into the early 2010s.
The strength that came in the trios.
The Jonas Brothers (I mean, they're kind of fading away now, years after Nick Jonas's solo career and DNCE, don't know whatever happened to the other one, Kevin, was it?).
Miley Cyrus, Selena Gomez, Demi Lovato (they're still going very strong, Demi the strongest of all with her recent news).
Hilary Duff happened last decade (she tried coming back with music the first half of this decade, but she's appeared on lists of celebrities who haven't realized they're not famous anymore).
And after that, we don't really hear the others' names anymore.
Many went onto acting, which, even if that's what they wanted (after all, the show is acting), it might have been a "mistake" (if they wanted to stay really relevant, not saying it's a mistake), because adult shows have a smaller niche audience, while pop music gets played everywhere on the radio.
And even the ones who get picked back up again (Raven and Chelsea from That's so Raven), they don't do anything that big outside of the show to be discussed elsewhere.
And Ariana Grande is the only really big name from Nick (the rest of the casts of her shows faded into the land of forgotten), unless you count the black guy from the burger show who is now on SNL (I was a Disney kid, don't really know him, sorry).
I mean, now, you don't hear that much about Olivia Holt from Kickin' It and I Didn't Do It (she did some music recently, but it's not that big, I don't think), and she's in a show now.
Or Bridgit Mendler, or the rest of the Good Luck Charlie cast.
Or the Lab Rats cast.
Or the Ant Farm cast (really though, China was the biggest star).
And I don't even really know about today's shows (I catch glimpses at the dentist, like of Stuck in the Middle and Bizaardvark, can't name the characters, but it's advertised in commercials).
Is Disney not as strong any more? And Nick?
These were the big channels for acting kids who wanted to get their big breaks, did they just retire off what they made, get regular people jobs and outgrew the "industry," or do/did they have/had really bad promotion teams?
Thanks to anyone who answers, it's such a shame that only a few can "strike it rich/big," while most are left in the dust.
Note: Let's not speak of Jake Paul, his fame has decreased since 2017 anyway.
Also, some other honorable mentions are Zac Efron and Zendaya. Dunno about Bella Thorne, she's going through a "Miley Cyrus" crazy phase, but worse.
Tl;dr: Why do only a few make it big from their child acting careers if the whole point is to get big?
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2018.09.27 14:10 Anonymous_1-2-3-4-5 MCU Movies Behind the Scenes Facts *Wanted to do this for fun* Day 16: Spider-Man: Homecoming

So i'm going to go on IMDB and look at each MCU movies behind the scenes facts and POST THE MOST INTERESTING ONES here, I will post each movie a day instead of what I did before where I did 10 posts, I will start with the first Iron Man and each day will be the next MCU movie after it, ending with Guardians 3, I will also do the Netflix Shows, Agents of Shield and Agent Carter


1. Jennifer Connelly voices the Spider-Man computer Karen. Her husband Paul Bettany had voiced the Iron Man computer J.A.R.V.I.S. She was also cast, because of her appearance in the John Hughes produced Career Opportunities (1991). "Homecoming" pays homage to Hughes' high school films, and casting Connelly was done as a tribute to his career. Connelly was also previously cast as Elizabeth "Betty" Ross in Hulk (2003).

2. Aaron Davis mentions he has a nephew. In the comics, Aaron Davis is the Ultimate Marvel universe version of the villain "The Prowler", whose nephew is Miles Morales, a.k.a. the second Ultimate Spider-Man.

3. In an interview from 2013, while promoting his upcoming film, How I Live Now (2013), Tom Holland was asked by a reporter what kind of role he might want to try next. When Holland replied, saying a project with action and humor would be of interest to him, the reporter asked if he would ever like to play a superhero. "Maybe Spider-Man, in ten years time," answered Holland. "The reboot of the reboot, if they do that."

4. Kenneth Choi (Principal Morita) also played the Howling Commando Jim Morita in Captain America: The First Avenger (2011). In the Principal's office, you can see photos of the Howling Commando, which hints that they are related, and he is his grandson.

5. Peter's homemade Spider-Man costume is very similar to Ben Reilly's first Spider-Man costume from the comics: a red jumpsuit with a blue sleeveless hoodie, with the belt and web shooters on the outside of the costume.

6. Nick Fury was originally going to be Peter's mentor in the film, with Samuel L. Jackson reprising his role, but they went with Tony Stark instead. However, Nick Fury was confirmed to be the new mentor in the sequel, Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019).

7. J.K. Simmons had previously expressed interest in returning to the role of J. Jonah Jameson (the role that he played in the Sam Raimi trilogy, and also voiced the character in Ultimate Spider-Man (2012)). However, once he was cast as Commissioner Gordon in Justice League (2017), all discussion of this happening ceased.

8. While Happy is overseeing loading the plane with objects from the Avengers Tower, he references Thor's belt, but is unable to pronounce it's name "Meg-... Meg-... Thor's magic belt!". The real name for the belt is Megingjörð.

9. Tom Holland spent a few days attending classes at the Bronx High School of Science in New York City to prepare for his role as Peter Parker. He used his acting coach's name as an alias.

10. Pictures of Howard Stark, Abraham Erskine, and Bruce Banner can be seen in Peter Parker's school.

11. The cast had to watch a John Hughes movie marathon to prepare. This movie is first and foremost a coming-of-age tale, so Watts turned to the master of such stories: John Hughes. "He gave us a lot of movies to watch", Holland said during an interview with PopSugar UK. "God, there's so many movies, and we basically just all sat down in my house in Atlanta, all the cast, and we just watched them all in one day, and just had like a Domino's day. It was amazing, The Breakfast Club (1985), Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986), Pretty in Pink (1986), there were loads of them."

12. First live-action "Spider-Man" film where his costume has resizable visors, providing more expressiveness to his appearance (in accordance with the comics).

13. The first Spider-Man film where Spider-Man has his iconic web wings from the comics.

14. Spider-Man never punches any of the villains he fights. He uses his webs, he counters his enemies punches which causes them to punch each other, he even kicks them, but he never punches them.

15. Aunt May's car number plate is AMF-1562. AMF is Amazing Fantasy, 15 is the issue number, and 62 is 1962, the year Spider-Man first appeared.

16. After showing a video of Captain America encouraging students, a gym teacher mentions that he's "probably a war criminal now", alluding to his situation at the end of Captain America: Civil War (2016), where he and other Avengers, who operated outside the Sokovia Accords are wanted by the government, and are in hiding. In the films shown in Spider-Man: Homecoming, Captain America appears in his costume from The Avengers (2012), and mentions being frozen in ice, suggesting they were made shortly after The Avengers (2012), which was the last time he wore that uniform, and would be easily recognizable as a potential positive role model.

17. The music that plays over the Marvel Studios logo is an orchestral version of the classic Spider-Man television theme song, written in 1967 by Paul Francis Webster and Robert "Bob" Harris for the animated television show. Here it has been adapted by Composer Michael Giacchino.

18. It's been observed that the previous Sony Pictures incarnations of the Spider-Man had little of the character's thought soliloquies from the comics, which robbed him of his introspective nature, because it was considered difficult to convincingly convey that kind of speech in the film medium. The Karen digital assistant character in Spider-Man's first suit from Tony Stark, solves that problem by giving Peter someone to talk to while in costume. Furthermore, the costume's adjustable eyepieces help give the Spider-Man's full face mask a degree of expressiveness to avoid the need to have him continually unmask for important scenes, thus reestablishing the character's visual universality.

19. The Vulture is the fourth member of the original Sinister Six gang to appear in a Spider-Man film. Members who have previously appeared are Doctor Octopus (in Spider-Man 2 (2004)), Sandman (in Spider-Man 3 (2007)), and Electro (in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014)). So far, only Mysterio and Kraven the Hunter have not appeared in live-action. In fact, Vulture, Doc Ock, Mysterio and Kraven were meant to appear in Sony's Amazing Spider-Man saga before its cancellation.

20. Vincent D'Onofrio had shown interest in appearing as Wilson Fisk, a.k.a. Kingpin from Daredevil (2015). Kingpin is a shared villain from Spider-Man and Daredevil's rogue's gallery, and has appeared in many other Spider-Man media.

21. Tom Holland is the youngest actor (at nineteen) to be cast as Peter Parker. His predecessors, Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield, were twenty-five and twenty-six, respectively, when they were cast.

22. Peter is shown wearing boxer shorts when he puts on the suit given by Stark. However, Tom Holland said he wore a thong underneath, because the suit was skin tight.

23. Prior to its release, this movie saw the debut of numerous pitch-perfect posters celebrating Spidey's first film set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Of them, the image featuring the hero leisurely lying next to a body of water wearing his high school academic decathlon blazer with a pair of headphones on stood out. As it turns out, the pose wasn't conceived of by a genius marketer, it was a picture of Tom Holland taken when he was entirely unaware. In an interview during a press junket in Mexico City, Holland explained that the poster was a picture snapped while he was napping on-set. "That is actually me asleep", Holland said. "That's not part of the movie, that's me, in-between takes, asleep. We were shooting this scene, and I was just really tired that day, and I was just asleep on the floor, and the photographer took a picture. So when they made that the poster, I was like 'What?! What the hell, guys?!'"

24. In the comics, Flash Thompson was a burly football player. This was updated to make him a wealthy smug character to fit modern portrayals of bullies.

25. Director Jon Watts has revealed that Peter Parker will be aged around fifteen years old at the time of the film. Tom Holland was around age nineteen to twenty at the time of filming.

26. Donald Glover (Aaron Davis) has voiced the Miles Morales incarnation of Spider-Man in the Ultimate Spider-Man (2012) animated series.

27. Michael Keaton describes Adrian Toomes as a resentful character: "Some people see themselves as victims. He sees himself like that. He has a probably strong argument that he never got a fair shot. A lot of 'Why not me?', 'Where's mine?'"

28. The "Homecoming" part of the title is a nod to the inclusion of the character within the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

29. Michelle's literary tastes contain subtle allusions to either the plot or spiders.

30. This is the first appearance of Cindy Moon (Tiffany Espensen), better known as in the comic as Spider-Man's female counterpart Silk.

31. The film's release date was originally meant for Thor: Ragnarok (2017), which was then moved to the November 3, 2017, release slot for Black Panther (2018). This move would ultimately change the release dates for several other Marvel films.

32. Before this film was officially announced, Sony planned to build a universe not too dissimilar to the Marvel Cinematic Universe using only Spider-Man characters. This included an untitled spin-off focusing on a female super heroine assumed to be Black Cat, a Venom film, a Sinister Six film, and two further installments to The Amazing Spider-Man series. Andrew Garfield was signed on to appear in at least two of these films.

33. While some fans complained about the hi-tech Spider-Man suit, many of the gadgets were ideas that appeared at one time or another in the Spider-Man comic books over the years.

34. Robert Downey Jr.'s eighth time playing Tony Stark.

35. Though the majority of the movie takes place in Queens, New York, much of the movie was shot in Atlanta, Georgia, with additional footage shot in Germany. A portion of the film was still shot in the real New York City, though.

36. Tom Holland had screentested with Chris Evans and Robert Downey Jr. before receiving the role. Once Holland finally got the role, Evans took to Twitter to write, "HUGE congrats to @TomHolland1996!!! Well deserved. We're lucky to have you."

37. On April 21, 2016, it was made official that Robert Downey, Jr., would reprise his role as Tony Stark. This also marks the first time that a Spider-Man film will include another superhero character from the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

38. Martin Starr plays one of Peter Parker's high school teachers in this movie. He can briefly be seen in The Incredible Hulk (2008), and is credited as "Computer Nerd". Marvel and Disney usually doesn't re-cast the same actors in different Marvel Cinematic Universe roles, but has broken this rule a few times. However, Starr's role could be linked to the previous minor background character, in which case, he was getting a degree in the earlier film, and went into teaching in this one.

39. First solo Spider-Man film to not mention or feature Uncle Ben in any way. Peter Parker briefly alludes to bad things that have happened to his Aunt May, which may imply the loss of her husband, but he does not elaborate.

40. Prior to the Spider-Man deal, certain characters such as Georges Batroc, Christine Everhart, Ben Urich, Wilson Fisk, Mister Hyde, and Frank Castle have already shown up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe prior to the webslinger's arrival. In Ant-Man (2015), when Luis is recounting Falcon's search for Ant-Man, a woman had mentioned "we got a guy who jumps, a guy who swings, and a guy who climb up the walls", which is the first Marvel Cinematic Universe reference to Spider-Man.

41. Mark Hamill wanted to play The Vulture if Michael Keaton turned the part down.

42. During the initial encounter, Vulture appears in front of the moon briefly with his wings spread. This is similar to a scene in Batman (1989), with the Batwing flying in front of the moon. In both cases, the person using the "wing" technology is Michael Keaton.

43. Tom Holland confirmed in an interview with BBC Radio 1 that he struggled to say Spider-Man without it sounding like a southern accent during filming. As a result, him saying the name had to be dubbed later.

44. Midtown School of Science and Technology's year of foundation, 1962, is a reference to the comic debut of Spider-Man in the August 1962 issue of Amazing Fantasy.

45. Based on what Kevin Feige has said about the film, there are actually quite a few similarities between this film and Ultimate Spider-Man (2012): the film is not an origin story, Peter is in high school, Peter wears the classic Spider-Man costume, the film incorporates new villains, Peter has a non-stop wit as Spider-Man, Peter has awkward interactions with other superheroes, Peter is a street-level hero, and Peter struggles to balance his double life.

46. Matthew McConaughey expressed interest in the role of Norman Osborn, a.k.a. The Green Goblin, Spider-Man's archenemy.

47. The weekend before Tom Holland was announced as Spider-Man, he posted three videos on his Instagram account, where he showed off his backflip skills. Many websites started pointing this out after he was cast, praising him for his spider-like abilities.

48. This is the first Spider-Man film where the special effects for the character are not being produced by another company affiliated with Sony, the rights holder to Spider-Man. Industrial Light & Magic, which handles much of the visual effects for the Marvel Cinematic Universe films, produced the visual effects.

49. Alfred Molina expressed interest in reprising his role as Dr. Otto Octavius, a.k.a. Doctor Octopus in another Spider-Man sequel.

50. The man that Peter pursues to get info on the Staten Island Ferry heist has a profile that briefly lists one of his known aliases as "The Prowler", a reference to the Amazing Spider-Man villain of the same name.

51. Marisa Tomei said she was shocked to learn that Aunt May was much older in the comic books. However, her brother, a Marvel fan, explained to her that Aunt May was not a blood relative to Peter Parker. This made her realize that Aunt May could be any adult age, depending on how old she and Uncle Ben were when they got married.

52. This is the first Spider-Man movie to reference various elements regarding the web-fluid for Spider-Man's web-shooters from the original comics. The first nod, is that Spider-Man mentions that his web-fluid only lasts for two hours before it dissolves after it has been fired, whereas in the comics, it would last for one hour before it dissolved. The second nod to the comics, is the taser web, which is a reference to how Spider-Man has created different variations of his formula for his web-fluid at different points in the comics to create different types of webbing, often to deal with situations where his regular web-fluid was not enough.

53. When Sony was in the development stage of the Sam Raimi film series, with a fourth film on the way, John Malkovich was originally cast as the Vulture opposite Tobey Maguire as the title character, with Malkovich preparing for the role. However, the film was cancelled, once Sony opted to reboot the series with Marc Webb and Andrew Garfield.

54. Spider-Man's "spider sense" is never mentioned or referenced in any way, and during the course of events throughout, there is nothing that remotely indicates or suggests he even possesses this ability at all. Although in Captain America: Civil War (2016), Peter mentions that his senses are "dialed up to eleven". Later on, Avengers: Infinity War (2018) officially confirmed that Peter has "spider sense".

55. In the Marvel comic books, Damage Control is a private repair and reclamation company, specializing in dealing with damage caused by superheroes and supervillains, as well as various items left behind by either community. In the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Damage Control is a government organization, with the same general purpose.

56. Tony Revolori received death threats for playing the role of bully Flash Thompson.

57. This is the first Spider-Man movie where the Osborn family company Oscorp does not appear, or play any significant role.

58. Chapter Four of Phase Three in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

59. The first Marvel Cinematic Universe film since Captain America: The First Avenger (2011) to be distributed by a company other than Disney.

60. According to the Marvel and Sony deal, Kevin Feige was not compensated as an Executive Producer on the film.

61. When Spider-Man is observing the robbery of the Bank ATM. On the building wall behind him the word "Bagley" is spray painted in large letters. This is in reference to long time Amazing Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man comic book artist Mark Bagley.

62. It is the second reboot of the Spider-Man film franchise, and the sixteenth film of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

63. The Vulture is the first major Spider-Man movie villain who became a supervillain of his own accord. Doc Ock, Sandman, Venom, The Lizard, Elektro, and both Green Goblins all became villains as a result of experiments gone wrong, or other types of accidents beyond their control. (Rhino, Shocker, and The Tinkerer are all minor villains in the films.)

64. This film features two characters who carry the supervillain title "The Shocker": Herman Schultz the original Shocker, and Jackson W. Brice, who was the Shocker in The Spectacular Spider-Man (2008). (Brice was actually known as Montana in the comics, due to being a former cowboy who could wield a rope).

65. First time that Jon Favreau portrayed "Happy" Hogan in a non-Iron Man movie.

66. When Peter and Ned eavesdrop on the students discussing Spider-Man's identity, one of the students points out that Spider-Man could be "horribly burned" under his mask. This could be a reference to Deadpool, another Marvel hero, who has a very similar costume to Spider-Man, and is horribly scarred underneath his mask. Deadpool and Spider-Man often work together in the comics.

67. When Spider-Man is chasing Toomes' men in the white van, Spider-Man goes through a pool party where Ferris Bueller's Day Off (1986) is showing on a big screen television, specifically the scene of Ferris running home. This is a double nod: one where, in this movie, Peter's run to catch the white van is similar to the scene in "Ferris", and one to real-life where the cast was made to watch John Hughes movies to get the essence of this movie as a coming-of-age movie. This is why Peter yells out "Good movie!", as Tom Holland watched it and liked it.

68. This is Composer Michael Giacchino's second comic book film, after Doctor Strange (2016).

69. Michael Keaton plays a character called The Vulture, which is a man in a bird costume. Coincidentally, Michael Keaton starred in the Best Picture winning film Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) (2014), and that character is based off of Batman, which Keaton played in 1989 and 1992.

70. When the film was announced, lots of actors had been discussed online to play the part of Peter Parker (Spider-Man). Some rumored, some talked about, some for real, the list includes: Logan Lerman, Dylan O'Brien, Ansel Elgort, Taron Egerton, Freddie Highmore, Grant Gustin, Donald Glover, Zac Efron, Zayn Malik, Drake Bell, Nolan Gould, Mateus Ward, Vincent Martella, Nick Robinson, Sam Strike, Nat Wolff, Liam James, William Brent, Asa Butterfield, Timothée Chalamet, Daniel Radcliffe, Jack O'Connell, Andrew Garfield, Tobey Maguire, Eddie Redmayne, Tyrel Jackson Williams, Matt Lintz, Judah Lewis, Charlie Plummer, Charlie Rowe, Ivan Escott, and, of course, Tom Holland.

71. Every live-action Spider-Man movie released after 2010 so far, debuted ten years after all three Sam Raimi and Tobey Maguire movies. The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) was released ten years after Spider-Man (2002); The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014) after Spider-Man 2 (2004); and Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) after Spider-Man 3 (2007).

72. This is the first solo Spider-Man film set in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, although not the first adaptation of the character to interact with another character wholly originated in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Agent Phil Coulson, played by Clark Gregg, and appeared in multiple films from Phase I of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, also appeared in the animated series Ultimate Spider-Man (2012), along with various video game adaptations of Marvel properties that also feature Spider-Man. Gregg has reprised the role in the animated series, and voiced the character in multiple video games.

73. This is Jennifer Connelly's third comic-book film after Hulk (2003), and The Rocketeer (1991) (which was directed by Joe Johnston who also helmed Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)).

74. This is the first Spider-Man film to feature the villain "The Vulture". In Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 4, John Malkovich was set to play The Vulture, but the film was never made. In the DVD commentary for Spider-Man 3, Thomas Haden Church revealed they spoke about Ralph Fiennes and Sir Ben Kingsley playing The Vulture in a sequel.

75. The filmmakers have stated that this movie takes inspiration on John Hughes' comedies from the 1980s about teens and high school. One of John Hughes' films, Weird Science (1985), features a young Robert Downey, Jr. who plays Tony Stark in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

76. When Spider-Man goes to confront Aaron Davis in the parking garage (where he webs Aaron's hand to the trunk), the license plate is UCSM01. This could stand for Ultimate Comics Spider-Man #1, the first appearance of Miles Morales as Spider-Man in the Ultimate Marvel Universe. Donald Glover, who plays Davis, was rumored to be playing Morales in a future Spider-Man movie.

77. Sony considered approaching Sam Raimi to direct a new trilogy of films, before this one was green-lit.

78. Adrian Toomes is never referred to as "The Vulture". However, the term "Vulture guy" is used by other characters.

79. The original proposal by Marvel was to have Spider-Man appear in several of their Marvel Cinematic Universe movies, in exchange for Columbia and Sony getting a cut of the profits, but it was rejected by Sony. However, the commercial disappointment of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014), partly due to poor decision calls by Sony, including Executive Producer Matt Tolmach (at one point during production, Andrew Garfield and Tolmach were not in good terms) prompted Sony to renegotiate the deal with Marvel, and restart the franchise again.

80. Asa Butterfield, Nat Wolff, Liam James, Timothée Chalamet, and Tom Holland were all in the shortlist of the much anticipated casting of Peter Parker.

81. On June 24th, 2015, Kevin Feige confirmed Spider-Man would appear in Captain America: Civil War (2016), and also revealed Marvel Cinematic Universe characters would appear in Spider-Man's solo film. However, he did not go into much detail about the new information.

82. This is the second time Robert Downey, Jr. makes a credited appearance in a Marvel Cinematic Universe film without receiving top billing.

83. While rumors flew all over the internet about the casting of Spider-Man, there were only three confirmed-by-the-source pieces of news on the matter:
  1. Norman Reedus' son "Mingus Lucien Reedus" had been offered an audition, but turned it down.
  2. Chandler Riggs auditioned, but did not get the part.
  3. Tom Holland was cast as Spider-Man.

84. 4th Highest grossing Spider-Man movie to date, domestically. 2nd Highest grossing worldwide behind Spider-Man 3.

85. Steve Buscemi was rumored for the part of Uncle Ben, even though Marvel confirmed that the movie would not have an origin story.

86. The concept of Spider-Man's ability to change his web-shooter's settings through voice commands in the film, was adapted from the comics which was first seen in the first issue of the fourth volume of the "Amazing Spider-Man" series which was released at the end of 2015.

87. One of the code words for the Winter Soldier was "Homecoming" in Captain America: Civil War (2016). But the filmmakers of Civil War later said in an interview, that it was just a coincidence.

88. The first Spider-Man film to feature The Shocker (Herman Schultz), The Vulture (Adrian Toomes), and The Tinkerer (Phineas Mason). The Vulture is the main villain, and The Shocker and The Tinkerer serve as his henchmen.

89. The movie filmed in Atlanta in June 2016, a month after Captain America: Civil War (2016) was released.

90. The tinkerer builds all the weapons from materials collected by Damage Control including the Shockers gauntlet. In the scene outside the gas station the tinkerer reveals that the gauntlet came from the Lagos clean up. This is in reference to the beginning of Captain America: Civil War when Captain America fights Crossbones, therefore the Shocker gauntlet is built from Crossbones gauntlet.

91. Gary Oldman was considered for the role of The Vulture. The role went to Michael Keaton. Both actors appeared as characters in different Batman franchises. James Gordon and Bruce Wayne (Batman), respectively.

92. Of the main cast, only Michael Keaton was born before Spider-Man's comics debut in 1962.

93. Logan Lerman and Dylan O'Brien were rumored for the role of Peter Parker (Spider-Man).

94. On June 23, 2015, Marvel Studios officially announced that Tom Holland would be playing Spider-Man, and that Jon Watts would direct the film.

95. Asa Butterfield had been considered for the role of Spider-Man in Captain America: Civil War (2016), but was deemed too tall for the role.

96. When Flash Thompson is the first to answer a question in class, but gets it wrong, the teacher responds, "See Flash? Being the fastest isn't always best." This is likely a joke about DC comics character "The Flash",known is DC world as the fastest man alive.

97. Michael Giacchino composed an orchestral version of the Spider-Man (1967) theme. This was the third time the theme was heard in a Spider-Man production.

98. Donald Glover is the third Community (2009) actor in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Danny Pudi and Jim Rash had cameos in Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014) and Captain America: Civil War (2016), respectively. In addition, Martin Starr previously guest starred as Professor Cligoris on Community, and plays teacher Mr. Harrington here.

99. The main villain of every first Spider-Man movie of different franchises (Tobey's, Andrew's, and Tom's) have the costume or suit green, or the skin of green color (Green Goblin, The Lizard, The Vulture).

100. At one point, in a scene set in Washington, D.C., Spider-Man is shown running beside the Reflecting Pool in front of the Lincoln Memorial, where Captain America and Falcon first met in Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014).

101. Adrian Toomes wears a dark leather bomber jacket with a fuzzy white collar when he is in the vulture suit. This gives him the appearance of a real vulture, with its tufts of lighter-colored feathers around its neck.

102. Michael Keaton is the third actor from the Batman franchise to crossover and appear in Spider-Man or vice versa. Cliff Robertson appeared on Batman (1966), and also played Uncle Ben. J.K. Simmons played J. Jonah Jameson, and also played Commissioner Gordon in Justice League (2017).

103. Directors discussed to helm the film before the eventual selection of Jon Watts included: Jonathan Levine, Theodore Melfi, Jason Moore, Jared Hess, and John Francis Daley and Jonathan Goldstein. Melfi took himself out of the running to direct Hidden Figures (2016). Daley and Goldstein were subsequently chosen to write the film.

104. Although Chris Hemsworth was not in Captain America: Civil War (2016), Tom Holland acted with him in the film In the Heart of the Sea (2015), making Mark Ruffalo as the only original Avenger, with whom Holland had never been in a movie (before Avengers: Infinity War).

105. John Francis Daley, who co-wrote the screenplay, and Martin Starr, who played Mr. Harrington, were in the television series Freaks and Geeks (1999).

106. First feature film role for Disney Channel star Zendaya.

107. During Cinema Con on Tuesday, April 12, 2016, Kevin Feige officially announced this movie's title.

108. Before Tom Holland was announced, Asa Butterfield was originally the main choice to play Spider-Man, because Marvel had liked him since day one, when they announced the top 5 actor shortlist to play Spider-Man, which were himself and Holland, Nat Wolff, Timothée Chalamet and Liam James.

109. After playing the Scarecrow in the Dark Knight trilogy (which were adaptations from DC Comics material), Cillian Murphy showed interest in playing a Marvel Cinematic Universe villain role, specifically in this Spider-Man film. He also starred in In the Heart of the Sea (2015) with Tom Holland, so they would already know each other if it did happen. In the end, Murphy wasn't cast.

110. Dylan O'Brien was rumored to have been cast and/or the top contender for the role of Spider-Man. On March 3, 2015, he denied these rumors.

111. Before Spider-Man took this release date, July 7, 2017 had been the original release date for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2017) (May 5, 2017) and Thor: Ragnarok (2017) (November 3, 2017).

112. When Peter steals Flash's car to chase the Vulture the license plate on the car is "FLASHDRV".

113. Michael Keaton, who plays Adrien Toomes (The Vulture) in this film, previously starred in Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) (2014), which also starred Emma Stone and Edward Norton. Emma Stone portrayed Gwen Stacy in The Amazing Spider-Man (2012) and The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014), and Edward Norton previously portrayed Bruce Banner (The Incredible Hulk) in The Incredible Hulk (2008), which also takes place in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

114. The portrayal of Aunt May in this film, is by far the youngest than of its early portrayals. For instance, the ages of the actresses who've played Aunt May in the recent Spider-Man films at the times of their release: -
  1. Spider-Man (2002): Rosemary Harris - 74 years-old.
  2. Spider-Man 2 (2004): Harris - 76.
  3. Spider-Man 3 (2007): Harris - 79.
  4. The Amazing Spider-Man (2012): Sally Field - 65.
  5. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (2014): Field - 67.
  6. Captain America: Civil War (2016): Marisa Tomei - 51.
  7. Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017): Tomei - 52.

115. The film's cast includes three Oscar winners: Marisa Tomei, Jennifer Connelly, and Gwyneth Paltrow; as well as two Oscar nominees: Michael Keaton and Robert Downey Jr.. At three, this movie holds the record for the most Oscar winners to be featured in a MCU film.

116. As Adrian Toomes is aboard Tony Stark's plane, the Iron Man Mark 42 suit (from "Iron Man 3") can briefly be glimpsed in the background.

117. This is the first Spider-Man movie to have a subtitle.

118. Theodore Melfi was in the running to direct, but removed his name from consideration to direct Hidden Figures (2016) instead.

119. Jane Levy and Kaya Scodelario were considered for roles as Peter's love interest.

120. All five boroughs of New York City are shown or mentioned during the film.


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2018.08.14 01:16 mranimal2 Anyone else here not a big Fan of the greatest showman?

This movie was pretty divisive. Critics were not fans but audiences were way more kind to it and it definitely seemed to grow a following, especially with musical theater fans. But, I gotta be honest, I wasn't impressed with it.
I dunno, I feel like this movie is to musicals what Transformers is to action movies. The latter franchise has never been critically acclaimed but managed to have 4 movies that did well at the box office because people loved about it what they came for, which is the action (mainly robots beating the shit out of each other). Not many people are really going to argue they were well-written movies but they liked them for what they were. I guess Greatest Showman is the same way, many people came because they loved the music and there was enough people that loved the music to turn the movie into a sleeper hit despite a lukewarm opening weekend.
But the music's just not really my cup of tea. I'm not a fan of autotuned contemporary pop and that's exactly the genre most of these songs are in. I do like a couple of the songs (This is Me and From Now On) but the rest are just too autotuned for my tastes. And, because I personally wasn't a big fan of the songs, they just didn't really blind me from the movie's many, many flaws.
I mean, I get they had to sanitize Barnum's story a bit to get a family crowd in but did they have to replace literally EVERYTHING with cliches? Barnum and Charity didn't grow up together, Barnum wasn't a poor kid who was struggling to make ends meet until he started his circus, Barnum never had some obsession with being accepted by rich people, why add all these cliches in and not just use, you know, the stuff that really happened that doesn't have to do with him owning slaves or abusing his workers? Like, for example, why not have him talk about all those businesses he owned before creating his circus? If you're going to be historically inaccurate, fine, but if your going to change stuff, why change it to stories we've already heard millions of times?
Also the whole pro-diversity/anti-prejudice message feels really forced in, like they only have said message because it's a hot topic in the news. For all the movie preaches about how diversity is great (a sentiment I do agree with), the movie doesn't flesh out the crowd meant to be the diverse crowd, Barnum's freaks, at all and seems uninterested in really spending any time with them as opposed to spending more time with Jackman and Efron, a.k.a. the Pretty White People. It makes the whole movie come off as hypocritical how they keep proclaiming it's okay to be a misfit, it's okay to look different yet isn't interested in actually letting the audience get to know the odd-looking misfits, aside from some musical numbers and a couple scenes where they wallow in misery/fight protestors, as opposed to getting to know the pretty people more. The whole movie in a nutshell is like "see that ugly person? It's okay to be ugly. Now, ugly person, please get away from me, I don't really want to be seen with you".
And then there's Zac and Zendaya's relationship. They literally spend a scene staring at each other then they are holding hands in the next scene? What the hell? And were supposed to care about that relationship and want them to get together? Didn't Frozen, one of the biggest movies of this decade, say that falling in love with a man you just met was wrong? Why isn't this movie following Frozen's advice? Why is this movie using a cliche that Disney, a company that popularized said cliche, has been making fun of for decades now? Would it have killed the writers to add a few scenes where Zac and Zendaya get to know each other?
Plus the characters are just uninteresting. The only one who has any real personality is Barnum, the others are either stock characters (the snooty critic, the concerned wife, the homewrecker, the grumpy dwarf with the surprisingly deep voice, the snobs, the redneck racists, etc.) or they don't really have any personality at all (Most of the freaks, Zac Efron's character, Zendaya's character, etc.).
And, yeah, the special effects looks pretty poor. Tom Thumb's legs look photoshopped in (he ends up resembling Joe in Peter Griffin's film in the Chick Cancer episode of Family Guy) and the CG animals look really bad. Plus it was pretty damn lousy how they kept making excuses to have Tom not dance because some genius thought it would be a great idea to make someone who was already a dwarf look even shorter by walking on his knees during the whole film (which, y'know, made him incapable of dancing). It's especially egregious during This is Me where Tom keeps disappearing out of shots he was in a second ago because everyone starts dancing!
I mean, I'll admit, despite the poor special effects, there is some impressive choreography and some scenes have some really nice colors and cinematography (I did like the visual of Barnum standing in total darkness while the audience, who do have a spotlight on them, stomp in the background. It looked cool) but pretty colors and good dancing just aren't enough to affect me, personally, as a moviegoer.
But I know, as far as the average movie goer is concerned, I'm in the minority here. So I'm interested-do you agree? Disagree? And, if so, why? Do you like it mostly just for the music or do you actually like the film in general? I promise, I won't attack you, I'm not an over the top critical snob like the ones in the movie, I'm just interested in your opinion.
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2018.01.09 08:14 MGSCG The Greatest Showman is a surprisingly good movie, with great music.

I am not somebody who really is into musicals. I will never see les miserables, and other than La La Land, I've never had a reason to see a movie-musical. So when I saw the preview for The Greatest Showman, I thought it would suck. Like really suck. I was probably just being cynical, but I couldn't make myself pay to see Zac Efron and Zendaya sing.
However, after it came out, multiple people in my friend group told me that they loved it. I was surprised, as they were both high school boys, and the thought had never crossed my mind that it wouldn't be complete crap. Anyway, I was super bored this weekend, so I invited them to see it with me, solely because of their glowing recommendations.
So, I saw it. And it was really entertaining and good. This is really a movie that you can't be cynical or pessimistic going into. You have to embrace it and not get upset when the pace moves so fast that things don't seem possible. The events in the film come by so fast near the beginning, but it doesn't mess up the film.
Anyway, that's about the only problems with it, that I can really call problems. Here's the good stuff.
The best songs IMO are The Greatest Show, A Million Dreams, The Other Side, Never Enough (incredible), Rewrite the Stars, and This is Me, though the other ones are still very good, just not as memorable in my opinion.
The film also has a very good message that would be great for basically anyone to watch. The message and continued showing that the unique outcasts in the circus were just as / even more unique and great than the rest of society is just a nice message. It's really a feel good movie, and it does a great job at it. There really isn't much conflict in the film, but it's actually not a problem for me in this one.
I was extremely surprised that I enjoyed this movie as much as I did, and it would be a perfect date movie, perfect movie for kids, or just a good movie if you like musicals.
There are countless problems that just don't matter because of the film genre. It isn't a masterpiece by any means, or great in most areas other than tone and music, but it doesn't matter.
Very good movie, 8/10 would definitely see again.
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2018.01.02 00:12 setphaserstofilm IJW: The Greatest Showman (2017)

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• Unbalanced structure, with important events just happening without much detail
• Inspirational story with charming characters
• Music underwhelming and doesn’t always fit
• Some dance sequences are great fun to watch
• Most of the circus’ cast is glossed over and uncharacterised
• Jackman, Williams, Efron and Ferguson are all terrific
Around Oscar season there’s always a musical there that promises to be the next big thing, often attracting Oscar nominations. With eye-catching trailers promoting catchy songs from the film along with a stellar cast that appeals to the whole family, naturally there are high hopes for such films; Les Miserables, La La Land to name a couple of recent ones – but you can take it back to the likes of Mamma Mia! or Sweeney Todd, not to mention classics like The Sound of Music, Oliver, Singin’ in the Rain… Musicals can make a big impact on popular films and it’s wonderful when they get it right. One look at the trailer for The Greatest Showman and it seems as though this film has similar aspirations – so does it hit the heights of other recent classics? Sadly, no; whilst this film may be sweet at times and entertaining enough to keep you going until the next musical in about a year’s time, this is unlikely to become a classic family-favourite.
Coming from very poor backgrounds, P.T. Barnum (Hugh Jackman) is determined to be a success and give his wonderful wife Charity (Michelle Williams) and their daughters the luxurious life he wants for them. Taking a loan from a bank, he starts his business, determined to be the next big thing in entertainment. At first just a museum, he soon starts to recruit unusual people, such as acrobat Anne Wheeler (Zendaya), Lettie Lutz, the bearded lady (Kerala Settle), and Charles Stratton, a dwarf soon to be known as General Tom Thumb (Sam Humphrey). Once play producer Phillip Carlyle (Zac Efron) is on his side, his show turns into a full-on, successful circus. Not content with this success, however, Barnum decides to include world-famous opera singer Jenny Lind (Rebecca Ferguson) to attract a bigger audience and get the ‘snobs’ on his side. His blind determination and unwise aspirations though cause him to make some unwise decisions, making things go from bad to worse…all to song and dance routines though!
On the surface, the story of Barnum’s unrelenting climb to fame and success seems like quite an interesting one. Indeed, throughout the film there are numerous moments where the story is quite captivating. Sadly, these moments are too few in a film like this. Instead the story comes across as cluttered and unstructured. As is all too typical in a biopic, the challenge of including so many important events in one man’s life becomes too much, resulting in so many things just happening; and not in the beautiful, well-choreographed way you see in John Lewis’s advert about a girl growing up. Rather, the important events of Barnum’s life are glossed over and just happen without giving us too much detail, almost as though we’re given an edited version of the film. Getting married, having two adorable children, secondary characters falling in love, building a successful business from nothing, buying a big house… All these things just happen in between scenes and rarely give us much detail to feel as though we’re with Barnum throughout his life. On the contrary, it’s as though we’re trailing behind, picking up the pieces and have to imagine how these things came to be. Of course the age old rags to riches element of the story is inspiring and entertaining as ever; combined with the the musical side of things, it’s ‘feel-good’ factor is emphasised, but it’s often lost amid a lack of structure and detail.
Still, where dramas and musicals differ is the music, something very much present in this film, though on the whole it comes as very hit and miss. Partly my old-fashioned taste in music and love for classical musicals is to blame; but whilst I can appreciate some catchy tunes and good voices, it doesn’t always seem to fit in with the tone and period of the film. This isn’t to say that the music always has to fit in with the period of the film (often it doesn’t but still works well – Hamilton for example), but the music numbers tend to stick out like a sore thumb instead of integrating itself seamlessly into the rest of the film. This is occasionally since there are instances of songs being noticeably shoehorned in and not occurring organically. Adding to this that the songs are obviously pre-recorded and don’t look natural, means that this isn’t the prize-winning element that it should be in a musical. On the other hand though, there are some dance sequences that are well-done and very enjoyable to watch. Sadly these don’t scream glitz and glamour like Barnum deserves, and are occasionally underwhelming, but when the dance scenes work well, they’re great fun to watch and compliment their songs well.
So whilst the songs may be a bit underwhelming, fortunately the cast is not; the main cast is excellent and using brilliantly… Yet this seems to come at a the price of ignoring the rest. Hugh Jackman is stand out and his charisma and charm permeate each and every scene, letting him almost carry the film singlehandedly. He’s effortlessly likeable and makes the otherwise occasionally irritating ambitions of P.T. Barnum much more palatable. Michelle Williams too is a wonderful addition to the main cast, lending a much needed human, heartwarming and loving touch that she displays marvellously. I’ve never yet seen a film where Williams isn’t terrific and even this film is yet another example of how she deserves every Oscar for which she’s been nominated (currently four times). Rebecca Ferguson also makes the most of her role as the counterpart to Williams’ comforting wife, oozing sexy sensuality, but she certainly deserved more screen time. Disney stars Zac Efron and Zendaya come together in this non-Disney musical and do their thing well – Efron still hasn’t lost any of that pazzazz that made him a hit in High School Musical and it’s great to see him back in the genre, managing to be a great match opposite Jackman. Sadly though the romantic sub-plot between Efron and Zendaya isn’t fleshed out or allowed to develop much. It just happens while Zendaya remains largely silent. Perhaps this is a way of emphasising the race issue her character suffers through, but within the confines of the circus cast, it would have been nice to allow her character to flourish and develop before us. There are other characters besides these, but sadly the filmmakers seem to have left the majority of the circus cast as a footnote. We have the impressive Keala Settle as the Bearded Lady and Sam Humphrey as dwarf Tom Thumb as spokespeople for an entire roster of interesting characters that make up Barnum’s Circus. Aside from a short Full Monty style audition scene, we rarely get much of a look at them, let along many lines allowing us to get know these performers. Instead potentially the most interesting people in the film remain in the background for the majority, relegating them to being uncharacterised freaks – it’s a real missed opportunity.
Barnum may have been The Greatest Showman, but this isn’t the greatest show by any means. Not to say it’s all bad; on the contrary, it’s pleasant and can easily entertain… but not much more. In a film riddled with missed opportunities, it tries so hard to dazzle and inspire us with awe that it forgets fundamentals in storytelling and characterisation. Much like Barnum’s character, The Greatest Showman sets its sights too high to really pause and appreciate what’s there already. Still, for an easy-going family-friendly musical, you could do worse.
** 2/5
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American showman P. T. Barnum becomes the founder of the circus that will become the famous traveling Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.
Director: Michael Gracey
screenplay by Jenny Bicks, Bill Condon
story by Jenny Bicks
  • Hugh Jackman as P. T. Barnum
  • Ellis Rubin as Young P. T. Barnum
  • Ziv Zaifman as Young P. T. Barnum's singing voice
  • Michelle Williams as Charity Barnum
  • Skylar Dunn as Young Charity
  • Austyn Johnson as Caroline Barnum
  • Cameron Seely as Helen Barnum
  • Zac Efron as Phillip Carlyle
  • Rebecca Ferguson as Jenny Lind
  • Loren Allred as Jenny Lind’s singing voice
  • Zendaya as Anne Wheeler
  • Yahya Abdul-Mateen II as W. D. Wheeler
  • Daniel Everidge as The Lord of Leeds
  • Keala Settle as Lettie Lutz "The Bearded Lady"
  • Sam Humphrey as Charles Stratton "General Tom Thumb"
  • Shannon Holtzapffel as Prince Constantine "The Tattooed Man"
  • Paul Sparks as James Gordon Bennett
  • Gayle Rankin as Queen Victoria
Rotten Tomatoes: 48%
Metacritic: 48/100
After Credits Scene? No
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